457 | GUARANTEED Returns From An AI Trading Bot?

May 27

[00:00:00] Dan Rawitch: We have automated trading bots, which is basically taking all the stuff that I said, we did. The bot literally buys the trade, sells them when it's time, if it's going against us, it'll stop and take us out. We now have years of data. We have a win rate in the system of 87 and a half percent. I love it. We say we guarantee to get you to a 70 percent win rate or you don't pay.
[00:00:23] Dan Rawitch: And we very rarely give refunds. When you understand that money is just energy. This is really a hard one for people. Cause we usually, when we're thinking about money, it's tight and I've been there. And it's, so it's hard to just believe that it could be this easy, but. When you align your thoughts, your vibrations, your energy with what you want, it just comes to you.
[00:00:47] Chaz Wolfe: What's up everybody. Welcome back to gathering the King's podcast. I am your host Chaz Wolf. And today I am honored to bring Dan Rawitsch to the King stage. This guy is the absolute real deal. He's got 40 years of experience in the trading industry. Dan established the. Fourth largest mortgage credit reporting firm in the nation.
[00:01:09] Chaz Wolfe: Just a little bitty company called data facts. Now, Dan operates now as the founder of the university of options, where he runs the business with his daughters. He basically teaches live trading classes and has all other sources of resources. Around trading and using AI to enable trading bots to make incredible returns.
[00:01:27] Chaz Wolfe: In this episode, we cover these three things plus more guaranteed returns. And what that really means, how AI bots really work and mind control and how money is a form of energy. Subscribe and follow. If you haven't already, please like this video and comment down below. If you agree that money is a form of energy, grab your notebooks.
[00:01:48] Chaz Wolfe: Let's dive in. Dan, my man, welcome to the King stage. Thanks for being here. How are
[00:01:53] Dan Rawitch: you so much. Good. Good. Appreciate you having me. I've been looking forward to this.
[00:01:58] Chaz Wolfe: You know, I appreciate that. You said just right before we hit the record button that,~ uh,~ oftentimes. It's a like, ~uh, ~like I'm introverted. I got to do a show, but you've got incredible knowledge that we are going to, you're going to sift out of you here today. So I appreciate you being here, being willing to share.
[00:02:14] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um, ~you've got a background that's a little different than 450 guests that we've had on this show. And so, ~uh, ~you know, the, I just gave this incredible,~ uh,~ intro of who you are and a little bit about what you are coming to the table with, but I want to know. Why have you landed here? Like what's so important or what's so powerful in your mind about trading, about, you know, moving money, like just this vein of how you've done life in the last little bit and been successful at it.
[00:02:42] Chaz Wolfe: Why is that your thing? Like, why do you feel like you resonate with it so much?
[00:02:45] Dan Rawitch: So, um,~ um, ~you know, you and I brief briefly spoke about this. We do have the same sort of coach's heart. ~Um, ~and it really feels good to make a difference in people's lives. I know that gets oversaid and overused. It is absolutely what drives me and it drives me every day. So that's part of it. And then the other part is, is why this,~ um,~ let's see if I can shorten the story.
[00:03:06] Dan Rawitch: But,~ um,~ in 1978,~ uh,~ sophomore in college, long time ago, well, before you were born.
[00:03:12] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah.
[00:03:13] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~I, I. Got a job,~ um,~ as a loan officer in the mortgage industry. That also is a long story because nobody wanted to hire me. I was 19 years old. I tried fake glasses. I tried actually putting gray in my hair that turned purple though.
[00:03:26] Dan Rawitch: Cause I had to bleach it to try to make it
[00:03:28] Chaz Wolfe: So then you just look like a rock star.
[00:03:30] Dan Rawitch: exactly. So I finally found someone after 12 interviews that would give me a shot. And,~ um,~ just after I started, I asked her, where do we get our money? Cause we're not a bank. I don't understand who some rich guy owned the company. She said, no, we have a really giant,~ uh,~ line of credit, you know, in the tens of millions.
[00:03:49] Dan Rawitch: And then when all you guys on the street make these loans, we pull them together. And then we sell them off on wall street. And I said, there's a guy that does what I do, but in the tens of millions, that just really sounded cool to me and New York and all that stuff. And it just became a massive goal for mine, for me.
[00:04:09] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~and so. It came true, you know, it took, it took some work, but after college, I was recruited by Bear Stearns and I became a bond trader on wall street. And even after 40 years, it's probably still best job I ever had, but it was also terrible because,~ uh,~ if you watch wolf of wall street, it's, it's. It's kind of true, like in the eighties,~ um,~ you know, the firm put us up in really great places for the first year or so till we could find a place.
[00:04:36] Dan Rawitch: And,~ um,~ so there were other guys, you know, most of them graduated from really big Ivy league schools and,~ um,~ I didn't,~ um,~ But these guys were snorting Coke in the limo on the radio, the office pretty much every day. And it just crude and rude and foul language. And I'm not a choir boy, I promise, but I just, none of it ever really resonated with me, but the job itself, I just loved.
[00:05:01] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. What I mean, the, there's so much in there. First off, I worked for a sales organization. ~Um, ~I always felt like it was the, the,~ uh,~ like minor version of, of that movie and it was just like, yo, no, things were really, it was really that crazy in a sales environment, but even more so I'm sure on wall street, when things like that were actually happening.
[00:05:20] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um, ~I'm curious in that little brief that you gave me, it's 1978 and you're 19 years old or right, right about there. And you have to interview multiple times to get this. To get this deal, I remember being 19 and being told that nobody buys life insurance from a 19 year old. And I said, okay, awesome.
[00:05:36] Chaz Wolfe: Thanks. Shake your hand and I'm going to go sell a bunch of life insurance. And so, yeah, what, what was in that for you? Like what was the burn and like, no, I'm going to, I'm going to do this. I'm not going to accept no as an answer to this interview. I'm gonna go get another one. And another one until you were able to achieve it.
[00:05:51] Chaz Wolfe: What, what, what pushed you?
[00:05:54] Dan Rawitch: So, so the first half of that is,~ um,~ Coincidence, fate, whatever you want to call it, which I kind of don't believe in. But,~ um,~ my sister, my older sister, who, who at that time was my hero. ~Um, ~she came home one time in a really fancy sports car. She and I were roommates when I was in college. She didn't go to college.
[00:06:13] Dan Rawitch: And I'm like, how did you get this car? Cause she was a bank teller. So she explained to me that they moved her into the loan department and that she got commissions every time that she made a loan. And I was like, you are actually getting paid for giving people money. That's, that's amazing. And it just really hit me.
[00:06:32] Dan Rawitch: So the first place I went to was her boss. And,~ um,~ he said, I really like you. I feel like you could do this. I just can't get through your age. He said, I know you're 19, but you look like you're 15. And so, and that was true. So, ~uh, ~I, I just. I just wanted to do it. I wanted a nice car like her, and I didn't want to work at Burger King where honestly, a lot of my friends work and there's nothing wrong with that.
[00:06:56] Dan Rawitch: I promise. ~Um, ~I just didn't want to do it. So just kept going and going and going. And I think everywhere along the way. Even the interviewers that turned me down said something that was encouraging. And, you know, me being an optimist, I just kept locking into the good part.
[00:07:12] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, well, I think that, that you're right. The optimist holds onto any last little thread, right? It's like, no, this is truth. He said this about me. So I'm going to, I'm going to keep
[00:07:21] Dan Rawitch: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:23] Chaz Wolfe: ~Uh, ~well kind of fast forward. And you, you said you have a coach's heart and now you help people, not only just make money, but, but you give them structure and there's courses and all kinds of stuff that you guys are, are, are doing, but you have this tagline,~ um,~ that I want to dive right into, which is basically a guaranteed To make returns, how to invest in 2024 and make guaranteed returns.
[00:07:44] Chaz Wolfe: And with this looming, you know, economy transition, there's all there's doom and gloom. There's optimism. There's all this stuff happening in the news and on tech talk. What, what says you about guaranteed returns in 2024? Give us this construct here.
[00:08:01] Dan Rawitch: Okay. So I, I won't give all the disclaimers, but I should,~ um,~ just when talking about guarantee returns, all that stuff. So just go in. ~Um, ~so there's two things we do. One is we teach people how to trade options, stock options. And to put this in perspective, for the first time in history, there are more options traded than actual shares of stock.
[00:08:23] Dan Rawitch: It's never happened before. So, and it has a lot to do with the whole 2020 Wall Street bet guys, you know, they, they, they just kind of came in and they did change the industry. ~Um, ~So we teach people how to do that. It's to me, it's not difficult. ~Uh, ~what I tell people, the learning curve is steep, but it's short.
[00:08:40] Dan Rawitch: It's like climbing your driveway, not climbing a mountain because people really, especially when you get older, you, you do feel this overwhelmed sense when you have to learn something new. Cause we have, most of us have forgotten how to learn. So that's where it starts a really,~ uh,~ extensive course. And then the saying in our organization is slow is fast.
[00:09:01] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~Because any, every time we've had somebody come into the program with, with too much ego, too much, whatever,~ um,~ they struggled. And so I realized this is like the tortoise and the hare. ~Um, ~I don't know if that was a story when you were a kid, but. So, you know, the tortoise always wins every time because the rabbit's cocky.
[00:09:21] Dan Rawitch: He's overconfident. He doesn't prep, he doesn't take it seriously enough. And so we tell people to start really slow paper trade, show me your results or show one of our traders your results before you start trading real money. And we always have these guys say, I've got whatever money. I don't need to do that.
[00:09:42] Dan Rawitch: I said, you do need to do that because you'll just blow up bigger than the guy that has less. So, ~um, ~that that's made a huge difference. And then we tell people don't gear up, don't raise the amount that you're trading unless it's with the house's money. Don't gear up with your own capital. It's just foolish.
[00:09:59] Dan Rawitch: If you're not making enough money to gear up your trading activities, you're not ready to trade. To be gearing up, so we're really confident about our system and we,~ uh,~ I developed an indicator called flight station, which in some ways is my life's work. ~Um, ~it's a long story and it was almost like. If you ask me how I did it, I, I don't know.
[00:10:21] Dan Rawitch: I, it was years and years of just trial and error and just believing that there was something that could really help. And,~ um,~ and I remember one day,~ uh,~ our, our developer said, what if you did this? And he explained something. I was like, that's really smart. Let's do that. And,~ uh,~ and he did that and it was way better than anything we'd seen.
[00:10:44] Dan Rawitch: And I said, let's. Let's do it this way now. And then all of a sudden we looked at the chart and we looked at the indicators. And every time just before the price went up, the indicator said buy. And every time before the price went down, the indicator said sell. And you know, we now have years of data. ~Uh, ~we have a win rate in the system of 87 1/2 If you, if you saw our ads, we say we guarantee. To get you to a 70 win rate, or you don't pay. And we very rarely give refunds. Usually it's because somebody didn't apply themselves. So that's that. And then the other half of the business is,~ um,~ we have automated, automated trading bots, which is basically taking all the stuff that I said we did and automating the code, creating an algorithm around it, and then, and then telling the bot to trade.
[00:11:31] Dan Rawitch: When you see this happen. Go in and execute the trade. The bot literally buys the trade, sells it when it's time. ~Uh, ~if it's going against us, it'll stop and take us out. So, ~um, ~that we have years and years of data. Again, the SEC doesn't really let us say guaranteed nor does FINRA, but, but the fact is we will guarantee that you'll have this result or you won't pay.
[00:11:54] Dan Rawitch: I had a guy,~ um,~ He's a real good member. He's one of our options trading members and he bought two bots,~ uh,~ when we rolled out and he sent me this note yesterday and he, and he said, things just got crazy in my life. I haven't really had time to use the bots. I never set an appointment to, to use them.
[00:12:11] Dan Rawitch: And,~ um,~ I don't know, is this something you could buy back? Is this something, and I was so impressed that he did just come say, I want a refund. It didn't work because most people will fib their way through it. Not most a lot. And so I said, if you're not using it, then the way I look at it, you, the guarantee.
[00:12:28] Dan Rawitch: Applies to you. You didn't get the result. It's your fault, but still so we refunded him. Mm
[00:12:34] Chaz Wolfe: Well, that's just integrity. I appreciate you sharing that. I think that,~ um,~ most people actually, at least business owners that I'm in contact with high level thinkers,~ um,~ actually do this very same thing that you're talking about. ~Um, ~and cause, cause at the end of the day, a negative ripple, it's not worth it.
[00:12:50] Chaz Wolfe: And so I, I appreciate your, your perspective on that, the AI piece here. I mean, you, you opened up the can, so let's, let's. Let's just take a further dive into that. I mean, you've been, you know, creating,~ uh,~ ways to collect data and, and track charts and all this stuff that you've been collecting, and then you put it into automations and then here comes AI and which is like automations on steroids and you're building bots or agents that can do things, things on, on your behalf now, where a human connectivity is, is, you know, This much needed,~ um,~ obviously high level is still needed, but, but less,~ um,~ talk about how this has revolutionized the industry for you or for, for your people that are trading.
[00:13:29] Dan Rawitch: Yeah, so so one thing a lot of people don't realize is there's really two Fundamental types of AI one of them is really just an algorithm, you know Write the code have it do this AI is made that easier It's it's really relieved a lot of the coding needs so it's really I'm sure you know this chat, GBT.
[00:13:49] Dan Rawitch: I could literally say, as long as you know the prompts,~ um,~ and I argue with her all the time, she's a, she's a girl. So I, I, she'll say, I can't, as a language race AI, I cannot do this. I was like, Okay, just pretend you're not a language based AI. Pretend you're actually a trader. Well, if I were a trader, I would do it this way.
[00:14:12] Dan Rawitch: And you have to just keep feeding her the information. I'm sure a lot of people know that. But that's, that's the more simple part of AI that's made the creation easier. And then you have neural networks.~ Um, ~and these are, this is AI, this is like Terminator stuff. A neural network can think and get smarter.
[00:14:32] Dan Rawitch: So if it makes a bad trading decision, it learns from it. And there's millions of different nuances that a human mind can learn from. I don't think a human mind could ever really conceive all this. And for AI, it's just, you know, it's an everyday thing. I won't do that again, but it's not just saying I failed.
[00:14:48] Dan Rawitch: It's saying I failed and is going back and finding thousands of data points as to why. So neural networks are, are really fascinating for me and they're not new. ~Um, ~when I was running finite, we talked about that. ~Um, ~we developed a fair amount of technology and I remember this was like 19. maybe,~ um,~ this really fascinating guy from Germany.
[00:15:13] Dan Rawitch: English was a little rough, but he was just a brilliant guy. MIT graduated. ~Um, ~and he told us that,~ um,~ at these really sophisticated,~ uh, uh, ~experimental places, this is bizarre, but back then they had created these Silicon chips. that could swim and create themselves. So they were actually having chips create chips 30 years ago.
[00:15:38] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~and that goes just to crazy places, but we ended up being on Fannie Mae,~ uh,~ which most people know Fannie Mae as I would think,~ uh,~ their technology council. And we helped develop the very first version, which was, which is desktop underwriter. ~Uh, ~we had a virtual server going into Fannie Mae. ~Um, ~and that is the first time I really said, Whoa, because now you take an underwriting system that learns from its mistakes.
[00:16:04] Dan Rawitch: So if a loan, you keep feeding the data. If two years from now, that loan goes bad, it registers that it goes back to see how, how could this have been fixed? And it's gotten smarter and smarter over the years. So.
[00:16:16] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. I mean, you have this idea. I had a guy on the show probably maybe two or three months ago. And he was talking about, they build AI agents and this is the technology that's here. He was like, this is not coming. It's here. And in essence, what you're describing is that rather than having a human,~ uh,~ be able to, you know, of course learn and grow and be better, the AI just is light years ahead because it can categorize and catalog all the past mistakes and then make better and better decisions at a faster rate.
[00:16:44] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um, ~And then eventually, as you already said, those agents then learn how to build other agents. And it's a multiplication factor of like, Oh, you know, ~um, ~and I think you can kind of get a little doom and gloom and little scared there, but
[00:16:56] Dan Rawitch: Well, yeah, you should, it's kind of scary
[00:16:59] Chaz Wolfe: yeah, when you really dissect that,~ um,~ also means a big opportunity because things are, things are headed that way. So we can't be scared, put our head in the sand, but at the same time, yeah. Like, what does that really mean? ~Um, ~Okay. So for the, for the trader, who's are listening right now, somebody who's maybe dabbled, maybe no trading experience whatsoever, what's their takeaway from AI and, and maybe possibly working with a company like yours.
[00:17:23] Chaz Wolfe: Like, how is it affecting it's obviously making it more efficient. It's making it easier to make good decisions. Like what's their, like their takeaway here on this.
[00:17:32] Dan Rawitch: You know, I think the average person, believe it or not, doesn't come into our program, talking about AI, thinking about AI.~ Um, ~you know, they've heard something about it. They're skeptical when you say, well, we, our bots use AI to trade. It's a little much for, for people to grasp. ~Um, ~and that's why, again, I'm not selling, I promise it. We say, look, just dry it, just use the bot for 30, 60, 90 days. We'll even hook it up to a demo account. So you have no risk of buying the bot and you have no risk of using the bot and just get to know it. ~Um, ~you'll realize that it has a personality and it'll work for you.
[00:18:12] Chaz Wolfe: I love everything that you just said, because it makes it real. I've been in and out, not necessarily of trading like you do, but the crypto space in the last five years. And there's bots, right? And it's like, Anytime that that came up in a conversation, I was like, skirt run the other way. ~Um, ~and not because of the technology, but because of just most likely the
[00:18:31] Dan Rawitch: whole hype.
[00:18:31] Chaz Wolfe: yeah, exactly.
[00:18:32] Chaz Wolfe: So, and just unbelievable returns. And it doesn't mean that the technology is not there. Obviously you're saying that it is, which I've known it's the who's handling it and where did it come from and that type of a thing. So I love everything. I'm pointing this out for the listeners that what you just heard Dan say is.
[00:18:47] Chaz Wolfe: Not only demo account and try it out and see how it works, but it's, it is real. So go, go, go take a look here. I think this is incredible.
[00:18:54] Dan Rawitch: just to your point, sorry, on, on the whole crypto space. I would say bots probably were born in the crypto space. ~Um, ~the crypto space brought so much intellect. ~Um, ~unfortunately with it came the hype and the snake oil and all that stuff. But, but if you look beneath that, the technology,~ uh,~ and, and some of the systems that came from crypto, I think will change the whole trading world.
[00:19:18] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, no, I agree. And I think that,~ um,~ you're on the cutting edge of that, obviously in your space, the reality of it is, is that it's going to, it's going to change all industries,~ um,~ eventually. What do you think in this, like looking back, you've had just, you know, Uber success. We haven't even gone really into your, your, your backdrop.
[00:19:35] Chaz Wolfe: You kind of mentioned,~ uh,~ some previous companies that you'd sold and stuff like that. But what do you think looking back in your history is this sticking point of like, when I did this, it was like, Oh, bad moment, but maybe it was like a hinge for the rest of your success. But what's that moment you stick out?
[00:19:51] Chaz Wolfe: You're just like, Oh, if I hadn't done this.
[00:19:54] Dan Rawitch: Yeah. So I had this,~ uh,~ crazy, great, unusual experience while in college. While trying to get that job as a loan officer,~ um,~ I belong to the college's marketing club and I kind of rose to an executive level within the college marketing club. And,~ um,~ Jim Rohn came and spoke to us and,~ um,~ he said something during his speech.
[00:20:18] Dan Rawitch: He said, and I told you earlier, I am fundamentally an introvert. This was big for me. So Jim said, while he was speaking that poor people should buy rich people dinner, you know, instead of looking for a handout, you know, take somebody that's wealthy to dinner, watch how they shake hands, watch how they look you in your eyes, ask them questions, and you'll get more from that than anything.
[00:20:43] Dan Rawitch: And so after he finished his sentence. I remember thinking, you know, you could do this, you could do this. And he was like packing up his stuff and everything. ~Um, ~and he was famous, but nothing like, you know, he, he, he was in the end. ~Um, ~and I said, you know, you mentioned that poor people should, you know, and he goes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:21:01] Dan Rawitch: And he goes, are you asking me to lunch? And I said, yeah. And he said, in all the years I've done this, no one's ever come up and done what you just did. ~Um, ~yeah, so I, I went to work for him and I worked for him for the whole, whatever it was, maybe eight or 10 months while I was trying to get that loan officer job.
[00:21:22] Dan Rawitch: And,~ uh,~ I learned more from that guy than, than, than any other person could ever teach me. And one of the things that Jim said, and I think a lot of people had heard him say this, you said it directly to me. That he said, let's talk about your library. Let's talk about, you know, what's in your library and you have to pinky swear to me that you'll read for 30 minutes every night until you reach, you know, the, the highest possible pinnacle.
[00:21:50] Dan Rawitch: And I said, okay. And he said, start with,~ uh,~ think and grow rich, which, you know, is a classic and a psycho cybernetics.~ Um, ~which was just really coming out. ~Um, ~and he spoke a lot about silver mind control, Jose Silva. ~Um, ~I don't know if you guys have talked about that much on your show, but one thing I just have to say, I recently gave a speech,~ um,~ in Vegas and I did some research,~ uh,~ because I'm really big on silver mind control.
[00:22:16] Dan Rawitch: I have stories that will blow people's mind, ~ um,~ did I just lose my train of thought?
[00:22:20] Chaz Wolfe: It's okay. You were in Vegas.
[00:22:22] Dan Rawitch: Yeah, so I, I just researched for the talk. Thank you for that.~ Um, ~ I really wasn't sure where I was going to take this and in researching,~ um,~ I started seeing these headlines of a woman named Helen Hadsall, who was connected to Jose Silva, ultimately her bookkeeper, and she won the lottery over 2000 times. She won every contest she, she ever entered. She won a house for her family.
[00:22:48] Dan Rawitch: It got to the point where she would say to her children, okay, who's next? Who, what do you want? I want a pink bike. And she would just look for a contest that maybe had a bike or something. And that all came down to actually silver mind control. ~Um, ~you know, the CIA uses this technology and it's unbelievably easy to, to put to use in your, in your life.
[00:23:08] Dan Rawitch: But those two books that Jim Rohn told me to read. Put me on that whole path of, of civil mind control. ~Um, ~so I had a huge, huge advantage there. ~Uh, ~I, one other smaller, no, not small, big advantage I had, but small in comparison, my dad was a classic entrepreneur and, but he taught me how to fail more than he taught me how to succeed.
[00:23:30] Dan Rawitch: And he was just. Like I remember one day we were living in, in my mind, it was like a mansion. I'm sure it wasn't, it was probably just a big house. ~Um, ~and my dad had this big daddy Haas Cadillac Eldorado turquoise with white leather,~ uh,~ convertible white top. ~Um, ~and man, the kids, we loved that car. And one day he came home in this old Rambler, honest to God, he was dragging one, the tailpipe.
[00:23:56] Dan Rawitch: And he, I said, dad, where's the Cadillac? ~Um, ~and he's like, ~uh, ~nevermind. ~Um, ~we're moving. We are. And the next day we moved from that house, which many years later found out it was foreclosed on. ~Um, ~and he said, we're moving to the desert. And we moved to the small town of Lancaster,~ uh,~ which was pretty rough.
[00:24:15] Dan Rawitch: And we lived in this very small, maybe thousand square foot home. When I say that small, there were three of us coming out of a much bigger home. And,~ um,~ within three years, my dad was mayor of the town, opened the very first McDonald's, owned the biggest real estate firm in the town,~ um,~ and,~ uh,~ owned the drive in.
[00:24:35] Dan Rawitch: But then he, he was, he was best friends with Don Imus,~ um,~ you know, the famous disc jockey. And Don was the DJ of this little tiny radio station in Lancaster called KUTY. He was a nut. I mean, I'm not surprised he went on to be who he was. He got fired from every job he ever had because he just couldn't contain himself.
[00:24:57] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~but they, they got in a match fight. They burned down the drive in theater because it had this big,~ uh,~ snack bar kind of thing. And then some other stuff happened. ~Um, ~you know, he may have been an herbal pioneer. ~Um,~
[00:25:11] Chaz Wolfe: I am
[00:25:11] Dan Rawitch: next thing I know we're moving, we're moving to Northern California. And,~ um,~ he took a job literally just selling insurance.
[00:25:19] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~and same story just over the years, just, Bigger and bigger and bigger. So he never seemed to care if we failed. ~Um, ~I, I wish I had that. I have failed more than once. ~Um, ~but it, it hurts. It hurt my heart. I remember one time literally just going to the bathroom and just crying like, like, Oh my God, what have I done with my kids?
[00:25:38] Dan Rawitch: But then when I look back every time anything like that's happened, I've just catapulted. I think Tony Robbins said,~ um,~ bottom's a great springboard.~ Uh, ~and it really is. You're not going to spring up huge from the middle. It's usually from, from the bottom. So Jim Rohn and, and just watching my dad,~ um,~ those were huge, huge things for me.
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[00:26:43] Chaz Wolfe: Let's help each other grow
[00:26:45] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. I think that you just gave so much information that I could interview for the next three hours and, and between Jim and between,~ um,~ you know, the mind control,~ uh,~ your dad, it sounds like he was an interesting fellow for sure. What do you think? You know, the, as I mean, cause you didn't go in any of those directions.
[00:27:04] Chaz Wolfe: I mean, kind of, but, but different. You, you went, you know, wall street and, and finance and now trading. And did that like the entrepreneurial journey that you said your dad was on this, like fail, achieve bigger, fail, achieve bigger. Is that what pushed you there? Or was it more of just kind of what you said at the beginning of just wanting the nice car and just figuring out how to sell loans and do the thing.
[00:27:26] Chaz Wolfe: Like, how do you think you ended up there is my question.
[00:27:28] Dan Rawitch: So, ~um, ~The books had a lot to do with it. The books make you realize that almost anything is possible. ~Um, ~and,~ um,~ this is maybe a little woo out there. You can choose to edit it or not, but,~ um,~ there are things we cannot see. We can understand. ~Um, ~energy is in everything. Every single thing we know is built on energy and energy absolutely has a vibration.
[00:27:51] Dan Rawitch: It's always going somewhere. It's, it's the protons and neutrons, you know, coming back and forth to one another,~ uh,~ and I could look inside of a rock and it would look just like the, the, an acorn that was going to be a mighty Oak tree. ~Um, ~and when you understand that money is just energy, this is really a hard one for people because we usually, when we're thinking about money, it's tight.
[00:28:12] Dan Rawitch: And I've been there. ~Um, ~and it's, so it's hard to just believe that it could be this easy, but, When you align your thoughts, your vibrations, your energy with what you want, it's, it's just gonna, it just comes to you. It was almost effortlessly. ~Um, ~I used to think when I was a kid and I wrote a book and I talked about this in my book.
[00:28:32] Dan Rawitch: That,~ um,~ one of the reasons I went from rag to riches is I felt like,~ uh,~ God had something to do with whether I succeeded or not. And I decided that every time I got too much money, that ~um, ~maybe I got greedy. And so God would say, and then I thought that only good people could succeed. ~Um. ~And then at a young age, I had a business partner, partner who was an absolute horrible guy.
[00:28:58] Dan Rawitch: We were partners for a long time. ~Um, ~and I watched him and he, he developed wealth 10 times anything I've ever done. And he really is a schmuck. ~Uh, ~And I realized it has nothing to do with being a good or bad person, as much as I hate to say that you want to believe that, but it's not, it's just that Rob was 100 percent tuned into money and everything he did, it just, it just came to him.
[00:29:22] Dan Rawitch: So when you can get your mind around that one, it's amazing how fast things will go. And those things come from Think and Grow Rich, Silva Mind Control and Psycho Cybernetics. All those books talk about it.
[00:29:34] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, I love, I love that. ~Um, ~I'm a, I'm a deep student of thinking grow rich and, and further,~ um,~ books as well, but you're right. It's so funny this conversation because I also am a man of faith, but the, the, the, the rub. Where, you know, the opportunity came because I was good or because I followed the rules or because I received a blessing and it's like, well, actually I can find, like you said, not righteous people winning like big and, and actually there's, there's scripture that talks about how he reigns on the just and the unjust alike.
[00:30:11] Chaz Wolfe: And so if we know that to be true, well, what is it then? And to your point, it's the be tuned in. I like to say that I'm, I'm not the creator,~ um,~ but he made me in his image. To create. And so if I understand frequency, like you're talking about, look, let's create. And, and, and if I'm waiting for someone else to create to your point, nothing comes to me, right?
[00:30:33] Chaz Wolfe: Would you agree with that?
[00:30:35] Dan Rawitch: Oh, a hundred percent. I, you know, I love that. And you know, I don't want to maybe overdo the religious path, but I think you and I have a lot in common there. ~Um, ~we were put here to create so he could watch a space to simplify it. Like it's go Dan, go, you know? ~Um, ~and so instead of thinking like, Oh, he's going to get mad at me because I want too much.
[00:30:58] Dan Rawitch: It's more like, Oh my God, he's my biggest cheerleader. So, so, you know, I want to do this for him and for me, but just to be clear, and I know you're okay with this. You don't have to be religious. You don't have to believe in God or anything. I hate to say this, but you can win really big. Lining your energy with money.
[00:31:19] Dan Rawitch: No one's going to take it away from you.
[00:31:22] Chaz Wolfe: piece there that you're talking about as far as him being your biggest cheerleader is the father's heart. So now we can go actually back into religion a little bit, or at least what I call relationship, not so much religion, but if I have a son, I have daughters too, but when my four year old son.
[00:31:39] Chaz Wolfe: Shoot. I mean, he's been shooting his bow for about a year, which is kind of crazy when you think about it, but he, he goes outside and he's shooting his bow. And when he hits that target spot right on, I'm like, yeah, dude, that's my man. And I'm just so proud of him. And I'm, and I'm proud of my daughters when they create new things.
[00:31:54] Chaz Wolfe: My oldest is such a creator. She like forms things out of art. It's just incredible. And I'm not like in there telling her, no, don't do this. Don't, you know, I'm not controlling any of it. I'm just watching her create this thing out of cardboard and my mind is blown. I'm like, wow, you, that is beautiful.
[00:32:11] Chaz Wolfe: You're beautiful. And this whole thing is incredible. And so I think that's the perspective that you and I. Are trying to portray here. It's like, no, actually that's the part that we get to partake in. ~Um, ~as like a, like a, you know, I guess the glory of it. Right. Cause, cause the other is going to happen no matter what, regardless of our faith beliefs.
[00:32:30] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um, ~it's more of a belief in this is how things work because this is how things are actually designed in, in the earth, you know, with frequency with protons, Newton, like this, this is just facts, you know, what, why do you think most people, you know, Because it is facts. I mean, you want to say science that, I mean, whatever, these are real things that we're talking about.
[00:32:48] Chaz Wolfe: It's happened in my life. It's happened in yours. I've talked to people about this all the time. And I, it sounds like you do as well. What do you think is hard for the listener right now for them to go, okay, I'm going to go all in on mind control or think and grow rich or aligning my mind with how frequency works.
[00:33:05] Chaz Wolfe: What's the hardest part for them to be able to grasp onto?
[00:33:08] Dan Rawitch: so a lot of people, I'd say probably most people live hand to mouth. ~Um, ~you know, I, I, I've, I've been there. I have three millennial kids and I watch how tough it is for them. ~Um, ~you know, I try to help them as much as I can. ~Um, ~but my oldest daughter said to me one time,~ um,~ Dad, I love everything you've ever done for me.
[00:33:27] Dan Rawitch: You've made my life so easy, but you forgot to teach me how to hunt. ~Um, ~and I'm scared every day cause you'll be gone someday and I don't know how to hunt for myself. So, so I just wanted to get that out there. I love that you're encouraging your kids that way because you're, you'll create. Something much greater than you, which is the idea.
[00:33:47] Dan Rawitch: I, on the other hand, my dad always told me nothing comes easy. ~Uh, uh, ~nice guys finished last. ~Um, ~and then I used to say, dad, I'm going to, I'm going to be rich. I said, this is, I was a kid. He goes, really, what are you going to do? He's like, well, you're delusional. And it turns out that that was the biggest compliment he ever gave me.
[00:34:05] Dan Rawitch: You know, being delusional is a powerful thing. I don't think anything would get invented if you didn't have somebody delusional behind the invention. So, so thanks for that, dad.~ Um, ~but I think because people are hand to mouth, they, ~um. ~It's really hard to think spiritually. It's really hard to think about money being energy.
[00:34:23] Dan Rawitch: It plus you've been told your whole life that that's a bunch of, you know, just mumble jumble. Don't believe it. And just a quick example. So recently one of our members came to me and I really barely know this guy. I mean, I know most of their names just because we live trade with our members. So I see them in the trading room and we chat and stuff.
[00:34:44] Dan Rawitch: And. ~Um, ~this guy asked me to borrow a fairly large sum of money and he told me that,~ um,~ you know, he was about to lose everything and be homeless and it was really sad. And so I started talking to him about the stuff you and I are talking about just being stupid at that time. And he actually said to me very politely, can we talk about this stuff later?
[00:35:06] Dan Rawitch: Because I can't understand a word you're saying. I just need to know if you're gonna loan me the money. And I, unfortunately, I think that that defines a lot of people, but once you could let go of that, it's amazing. It really is.
[00:35:19] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah, that, that block, right? Is that I can't quite get to where you are because my apparent need is so big, right? Right here in front of my nose, which even that is a limiting belief like that need. Yes, he was maybe going to lose everything, but. But as you said earlier, maybe that was the spring, the bottom springboard that he needed.
[00:35:39] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um,~
[00:35:39] Dan Rawitch: I could have helped him out if I really do.
[00:35:41] Chaz Wolfe: yeah, yeah. Well, you had mentioned,~ um,~ there with you chatting with your, your, your daughters, I know your daughters are in your business. And so I want to talk about the dynamic here of working with them, but also obviously you're teaching them how to hunt now if they're in the business, but talk about this dynamic of maybe how it was.
[00:35:57] Chaz Wolfe: ~Um, ~and then how it is now, if you're teaching them how to hunt, how it is in business with your daughters, like just give us a little peek. What that, what's that look like?
[00:36:03] Dan Rawitch: Oh, yeah, that's one of the, my, my greatest joys of the business is my youngest daughter. So my youngest daughter is the daughter of, of mine and my wife's,~ um,~ and we've been married forever. ~Um, ~she's 21. five now. ~Um, ~and so she's had full unfiltered me and my wife has exactly the same beliefs. So there's almost no way she wasn't going to do something.
[00:36:29] Dan Rawitch: Well, the other daughter that's in the business,~ um,~ really struggles with these limiting beliefs. But she knows it. She's constantly saying, dad, give me something else to listen to. I feel, I still feel blocked. I, so she doesn't talk anymore about her struggles or what she knew or didn't know. She knows that she needs to just get this energy clear.
[00:36:47] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~but my younger daughter lives on my property. ~Um, ~we have, you know, a fair amount of acreage and we have a guest house sort of up in the trees and she lives in that. ~Um, ~and so we have dinner together almost every single day. And some people would say. This isn't a good thing, but our dinners are literally just company meetings.
[00:37:06] Dan Rawitch: Um, and so, because we both love the business, it's fun. And my wife loves to contribute just by listening. So it's, it's, it's so special. I can't even tell you. I mean, every single day I get to, you know, connect with her and. And she's turned out to, she never knew anything about Facebook ads. She never knew anything about,~ um, uh, ~managing social media, anything.
[00:37:30] Dan Rawitch: And I just sort of threw her into this and where she's gone with this. You'll have an appreciation for this, but she'll say, dad, we got to go to the recruiting studio because. I don't like how this sounded. ~Um, ~or I'm worried about the statement because as you said, the FTC is starting to crack down, we gotta be more careful.
[00:37:47] Dan Rawitch: We have to drive all the way to Sacramento, which is two and a half hour drive to the nearest studio. And everything's organized the scripts and, and I'm talking and she's, I'm looking and she's like, she's 25 years old, you know, and she's completely driving me and all of our advertising. ~Um, ~So yeah, it's amazing.
[00:38:06] Dan Rawitch: And I feel like now my older daughter is getting more and more entrenched in these easier beliefs.
[00:38:12] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. What do you think? I mean, cause obviously you've got a,~ um,~ kind of two tails here of, of your daughters, which I think is just a beautiful picture that you've given for both actually for the listener. What is the, the roadmap, especially for ones that have young kids? What's the roadmap for this level of integration?
[00:38:30] Chaz Wolfe: Maybe they're not 25 and working in the listener's business right now, but maybe they're like mine where I've got little kids, but I want them maybe one day to be in the business or to do their own thing, whatever works, but the mind integration is what I'm talking about. How did, how did you do that piece of it with your both daughters?
[00:38:46] Chaz Wolfe: Actually?
[00:38:47] Dan Rawitch: Yeah, so, ~um, ~Ashley, my oldest, said those words that I didn't teach her to hunt, while Audrey, my youngest, was, was very small, like three or four, and, and it made me realize that I resented my dad because he was He never really gave us much other than knowledge. ~Um, ~in fact, I remember at six years old, he bought me a bike.
[00:39:09] Dan Rawitch: Now it was a cool bike. It was called a Varun. And when you drove it, it sounded like a motorcycle and it looked like a motorcycle. And my dad said, take care of it because it's the last one you're ever going to get. Well, that's a tough thing to say to a six year old, you know, ~um, ~so that drove me to selling greeting cards,~ um,~ door to door when I was eight years old,~ um,~ and I didn't win one bike, I won two bikes, and then I won a trip to Disneyland, and I ended up bringing my dad into that business, basically, as like a crew manager, yeah,~ um,~ So don't take, don't feel like you got to make things so easy for your kids because maybe your dad didn't make it easy for you.
[00:39:47] Dan Rawitch: I'm convinced I wouldn't be where I was right now if my dad wasn't a Taiwad. I just know it. And yet I wanted to take all that struggle away from my daughters.
[00:39:56] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah.
[00:39:57] Dan Rawitch: Why? Now, now they can't be who I am because their path was, was maybe a little too easy and Audrey, the youngest has watched all this happen, you know, ~um, ~and just said, I'm not going to go in that direction, but a couple of things that I learned, one is, and my, my, one of my daughters said this,~ um,~ Because like you, your, your daughters are beautiful.
[00:40:17] Dan Rawitch: They're like, you can't even imagine how, how did you get the very best that I have and that your mom has? It's amazing. ~Um, ~but my middle daughter said, dad, don't tell Audrey she's beautiful every day. Tell her, tell her, her mind is beautiful. Tell her what she did was beautiful. Like you said, when she's creating That's amazing.
[00:40:39] Dan Rawitch: Because Looks can go away. Something could happen. Maybe I could get fat,~ um,~ and, and I won't feel beautiful. And yet you've told me I'm beautiful. So just don't make it about looks. And that was hard for me because I told him every day, you guys are so gorgeous. ~Um, ~and I still say it, but, but I make sure that I give a lot more of the other side.
[00:40:58] Chaz Wolfe: that, um, it's like, you know, the actual building blocks of a human. Right. And this scenario of how do we, as successful entrepreneurs, I've had this conversation with many, many other people. ~Um, ~but how do we take the circumstances that made us who we are? And naturally our kid's life is not going to be like ours.
[00:41:17] Chaz Wolfe: I mean, I grew up single mom family. So the fact that I'm in my kid's life makes it different, right? And so, okay, what does that mean for, for their outcome? How do I help them be the best version of themselves by simulating some of these hard things that I had to go through, but without having them actually.
[00:41:37] Chaz Wolfe: To go through it. And so I appreciate you sharing that. What do you think? What do you think they would say? Give me, give me both daughters. Like if they were both right here on the pod and, and I would say, Hey, what's your thought on what you've been through and maybe what you're after now, what would their response be?
[00:41:53] Dan Rawitch: I think pretty much what, what Ashley already told me is I love you so much. You made my life so easy growing up and now I don't know how to hunt. ~Um, ~you know, we've helped her more than she ever wanted to ask for help. And she's not an entitled kid. She's, she's. It's hard for, to ask for anything. Usually it's myself or my wife,~ um,~ will notice, like we saw on Facebook selling some, some flooring that they didn't use and the little things like that, you're like, I think, I think maybe things are tight because her husband's works outside.
[00:42:26] Dan Rawitch: He, he,~ uh,~ has a business where. It's a cement pump and when the weather's bad, it's tough. So, ~um, ~we know this and so I'll come up with things because I can't just offer her money anymore. She won't take it. She just won't. She goes, Dad, if you saw the list of loans you've given me,~ um,~ it's, it's overwhelming.
[00:42:48] Dan Rawitch: So, ~um, ~But we'll figure out something like, man, the social media piece of the business is really getting neglected. We're just too busy. So I'll call her up and I'll say, and she says, do you really need this? Or are you just giving it to me? Like, if I didn't say yes, would you be hiring somebody? I swear I'd be hiring somebody.
[00:43:05] Dan Rawitch: That's what it takes, you know, now to help her and give her money. And she came up with that by herself and I can't fool her. I can't just say,~ uh,~ yeah, we need this, you know, done. She, she, she would say, no, you don't.
[00:43:17] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and I think the beauty of that to your point is that she, she wants to earn it for herself, which is, which is honorable. ~Um, ~I think
[00:43:27] Dan Rawitch: Yeah. So we did something
[00:43:29] Chaz Wolfe: yeah, yeah, of course. I mean, she's saying don't rob me of this, right. Which we, we do that with a silver spoon. What do you think your younger would say?
[00:43:36] Dan Rawitch: ~Um, ~well, she's, she's. Pretty much said this through her life is I love my sisters so much that you wouldn't know they're from different moms. They're just one family, but, but the age difference between the youngest and the oldest is like 15 years, but they're still like that. ~Um, ~And she would say, I love my sisters.
[00:43:57] Dan Rawitch: I wish I, you know, little things like a little, I wish I was beautiful. I wish I were smart. ~Um, ~but I don't want to be like them, dad. I, I, I don't want you to give me things. I don't want you to do things. And I don't know if this is good or bad, and maybe some parents will hate me for this. But,~ um,~ one of the mistakes that I believe was this absolute insistence that they would go to college.
[00:44:22] Dan Rawitch: Um, And I'm not sure that helped them. I if I could handed them each the a hundred or a hundred and 20, 000 and showed them how to invest it, they, it would be amazing. But instead I just had this belief that kids go to college and some of it was this, that time, you
[00:44:39] Dan Rawitch: know, and over the years that's changed.
[00:44:41] Dan Rawitch: And Audrey said, would you be upset if I don't go to college? Cause I think I could learn more just watching you and following you. And I said, I'm whatever you want. I'm fine with that. So it put her way ahead. And so basically in a polite way, she wanted to do everything that they didn't do. She wanted to do everything different.
[00:45:00] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. Which is, which is cool to be able to say, because you kind of already said like you did it for your older and now she's realizing like, Oh no, like bummer. But it's not too late. I mean, geez, there's so much life still to live and she can, and her husband can go
[00:45:14] Dan Rawitch: She's 39.
[00:45:15] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. Yeah. So much life. Um, so, well, that's, that's incredible.
[00:45:20] Chaz Wolfe: Um, okay. Last little piece here. We're going to roll back the clock and we're talking to the younger Dan. I'm not sure how old he is, but in your mind, you've got a picture.
[00:45:30] Dan Rawitch: Is he good looking
[00:45:31] Chaz Wolfe: he's, he's, he's fantastic looking. Um, very similar to this Dan that I'm looking at.
[00:45:37] Dan Rawitch: now? I know you're lying. Okay, go
[00:45:39] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you tap him on his shoulder and you whisper in his ear.
[00:45:42] Chaz Wolfe: What do you tell him?
[00:45:43] Dan Rawitch: I don't have to tell him don't give up because he, he's not a quitter. But what I do have to tell him is don't lose faith. No matter what's going on in your life, do not lose faith because something great's going to come up this. And when you tell someone that's going through a tough time that don't worry, you're going to come out of the spine.
[00:46:02] Dan Rawitch: They can't hear it. They don't believe it. They don't even want to hear it. But the fact is it is 100 percent accurate. If you trust in this stuff that we're talking about, you're always going to come, come through it. And just a quick story there. I think it was 2009, maybe right after the meltdown, things were really tough and we lost a lot.
[00:46:26] Dan Rawitch: We were heavily invested in, in real estate projects in Mexico, and they say when California gets a cold, Mexico gets pneumonia. And she and I were walking, we didn't live in this neighborhood and there's a beautiful neighborhood called Corona Del Mar, which is part of Newport beach, which is just so quaint and beautiful.
[00:46:43] Dan Rawitch: And we were walking down the street and I said, you know, it's a shame we'll never live in a place like this. This is the first time she really, really got mad at me. Like she was visibly angry. And she's like, how can you say that? And that goes against everything you've ever taught. Everything you believe, what the hell?
[00:47:02] Dan Rawitch: And so four years later, we were living in that neighborhood, not quite that street, but two streets over. And if you asked me during that time, when I'm literally thinking about, you know, hand to mouth, that I would be living in a neighborhood like that in just a few years, I would not have believed you.
[00:47:18] Chaz Wolfe: Yeah. Yeah. I like to say everything you want can be found in another, another person, a relationship, and, uh, that's probably, uh, true in your life as well. Um, okay. Well, the listener is anxious, uh, to connect with you. You obviously have a mind that's out of this world. Um, but also they might be interested in trading.
[00:47:37] Chaz Wolfe: They might be interested in maybe joining your program and figuring out how they can put money to work.
[00:47:42] Dan Rawitch: to through find you?
[00:47:43] Dan Rawitch: So I think the best way is just to write through my email, dan at university of options. com. You know, we have people that help me there. We have AI that helps me. But when I see something like this, like I heard, I heard you on the Kings pod. I'm going to answer you. I promise. I'm going to want to know you and know your story and know how you got here.
[00:48:05] Dan Rawitch: That's the best way. I actually love to see those messages.
[00:48:08] Chaz Wolfe: That's awesome. Well, you heard him,~ uh,~ straight from the, from the mouth there. Find the information in the show notes and connect with Dan and he'll take extra care of you because you're listening here to gathering the Kings. Dan, you are someone that, that I want to get to know, and I hope the listeners do as well, but you've got just a wealth of knowledge.
[00:48:24] Chaz Wolfe: And I appreciate your time and just sharing of all
[00:48:29] Chaz Wolfe: to you, your family, your business, everything you put in your hands
[00:48:32] Chaz Wolfe: to all those people that you're helping to thanks for being here, brother.
[00:48:34] Chaz Wolfe: Thank you for listening to Gathering the Kings today. I hope that you were able to pull out a few nuggets to go apply into your business right away. More importantly, though, I hope that you're realizing that it takes more to be successful than just being by yourself, doing it all on your own, carrying the weight all by yourself.
[00:48:51] Chaz Wolfe: What I have realized, not only in my own journey from multiple businesses and multiple different industries, and now interviewing to over 200 or 300, Other very successful seven, eight and nine figure business owners is that it's tough to do it alone. And so gathering the Kings exists to Bring together successful entrepreneurs.
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[00:49:36] Chaz Wolfe: So if that relates in and resonates with you, and you know, that you need people around you, sharp, qualified, other very successful business owners. I want you to go to gatheringthekings. com. I want you to take a look at what we're doing and see if it makes sense for you to be part of our pursuit to 1000 Kings talk soon.

Host Chaz Wolfe welcomes Dan Rawitch to the king's stage. Dan is the Founder and Head Trader of University of Options, an online learning platform that teaches trading skills to beginner and advanced traders. Dan and Chaz Discuss automated trading bots and the reality of guaranteed returns. They delve into Dan's transition from Wall Street to finance, inspired by Jim Rohn and how he was shaped by his fathers entrepreneurial journey. Additionally, they discuss the challenges and rewards of raising children with an entrepreneurial spirit and the power of belief in overcoming financial loss.

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